24toDouble, Jerry Lawson, Richard Chancy

24D 30: Live 24toDouble Members Q&A – August 2019

School is Back in Session!

  • I’m not the senior pastor, but I’m heading up 24toDouble at my church.  Do you have any suggestions?
  • What did Daystar do to research the demographics in the area?
  • Is there an evaluation tool Daystar uses to measure the effectiveness of their big events?
  • Daystar’s survey example:  daystarchurch.typeform.com/to/lbpzsy
  • What method(s) did Daystar use to motivate people to do the Gifts and Passions survey?
  • Where should I set up the Pastor’s Breakfast?
  • How often can someone return to the Pastor’s Breakfast and do it again?
  • Can I map our existing gift test into the 24toDouble model?
  • How is the Mercy gift intended for Recruiters?
  • What database do you use at Daystar?  Planning Center, FellowshipOne, Mortar Stone
  • How do you handle a Gifts Survey result that you don’t feel fits the person who took it?
  • Do you ever have people meet by role?  For example, do you ever have just the Team Leaders meet? 
  • Does every team have to come to every meeting?
  • What is the best method to create events to involve the community?
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You're listening to the 24toDouble Podcast, the Internet's most passionate church growth podcast. And now here's your host, Richard Chancy. All right, everyone. Good afternoon. It's wonderful to have you guys with us right now, you pastors and leaders and whoever else is on the call. We're just so glad that you're with us today. Beautiful day where I am here in North Alabama. I hope it looks nice where you are, although maybe it's not as hot where you are. It is unbearably hot here. So, we're inside and we're just trying to endure. Today's going to be a little bit different. Richard, my cohort is not able to be with us today, and I'm going to try to be nice about it, but I'll just say Richard's away doing something pretty fun with John Maxwell today. And I've got a sin of... Envy and jealousy are two of the seven deadly sins, so I'm going to try to not sin against my friend today. But anyways, he's left us all alone. It's just myself, and of course Jessica is running the operation back in Atlanta. And so, we're glad you're on board. You can ask your questions and we're going to take them one at a time, and you can press *6 to get in the queue. That will be great. We've already got some people starting to get queued up, but if you'll go ahead and do that. While everybody's logging in and we're getting more and more people on and you guys are getting in the queue, let me just start by, I kind of like to reset where we are in the Church Calendar. Maybe some things you ought to be doing right now. Not specifically relating to 24toDouble, because some of you are in month two, some of you are in month 22 and anywhere in between. So, it's going to be a little bit different for each of you. But we should all be angling toward a big Fall event of some kind, where you have asked your people to invite friends and family, or either you're going to do that and you've got some kind of a special reason, some kind of an excuse to get your friends and family there. We have four big events at Daystar and three of them never change, and that is Easter, Kid Fest, and Christmas. But in the Fall, we change that up some from time to time. We've done Friend Day and we've done some Teacher Appreciation Days. This year, for the second year in a row, we're doing a series called Game Day. And so, it's a multi-week event. So, week one is Jersey Day. Just come out, wear your favorite jersey and the whole room will look like you came to a tailgate party. That's week one. Bring your friends out, there's going to be a lot of fun stuff going on, a lot of activities, giveaways, things like that. And then we want to invite them to come back to week two. Week two is Tailgate Sunday. So, we're going to have each of our ministries set up a tailgate tent. So, there's going to be barbecue stuff going on. Our worship pastor is a real outdoors man, and so he's going to smoke a pig in the ground. I don't know how that's going to work, but he's all into that thing. So, it's kind of like poi. So, we're going to have that on week two. Week three is Teen Day. So, we're getting out in the community and inviting every local teen that we can to come out to Game Day. And so, that's going to be... Last year we had everything from cheerleading squads to bands, high school bands, to football teams, local college basketball teams. We had a wrestling team. Just every group that... A dance team. We had the Battle of the Bands out in the parking lot. Two drum lines came and kind of drummed off. They kind of did a drum off. So, just super, super fun and just lots and lots of guests coming out for that. And then the last Sunday is what we call the Iron Bowl Challenge. All of our campuses except our African Campus, all of our campuses other than that are in Alabama. So, we encourage people to bring a gift, a canned good for our food pantry and you can put it in the Alabama or the Auburn bucket. The Alabama/Auburn game every year is called the Iron Bowl. So, something that would work for you when you figure out what the challenge is. If you're in a pro town, you might do more of a professional football challenge. But that's what we're leaning into right now. We have huge numbers that come out for that, and it is our third big event of the year. So, that's what you ought to be looking, back to church Sunday has always been seen as the first Sunday following Labor Day. But we are finding that people get back to church earlier now. We are in it. School started back last week for us, and so we're actually kicking off Game Day weekly series this Sunday. So, it's kind of early in the calendar, but we've been watching our attendance trends over the years, and we feel like people stop making their vacations in late July and maybe the first couple weeks of August, and as soon as school gets back, that's the time to really engage with a big invite push. Give your people some reason to invite. So, that's what we've been doing over the last few years. You do lose a little momentum on Labor Day Weekend, but by that time, you're three or four weeks into the Fall push. So, we're doing it a lot earlier than we used to do. All right, just a reminder again, to ask your question press *6 and you're going to be prompted. If you're already in the line or in the queue, you're going to hear a little prompt and it lets you know to ask your question. Since I'm not at the radio controls like Richard usually is, I'm just going to have to wait until I hear you start talking. So go ahead when you hear the prompt and give me your name and your church and ask your question. Hey, Jerry. My name is Sam and I'm here in Virginia. My church is Cornerstone Community Church. We're roughly about between 60 and 80 people in our congregation and we have three elders. Senior elder, senior pastor, he is sick. He's out. He's going to be out for several months. The other elder, he's out too. So, the ball has fell in my court and I was the one that brought them the 24toDouble Program and everybody loves it so far. So, I got two questions. First question is, since I'm not the senior and I don't speak every Sunday... Matter of fact, very seldom I speak. I got a time coming up. What would you do if you was in my place? That's question number one. So, 24toDouble really is a holistic model. It's really not to be seen as a church program like, say the Student Ministry might have a program going over here or the Children's Ministry has a program over there. 24toDouble is a holistic model that covers the entire church. And that's important to note, because everybody needs to be involved. And so, the key influencers are the people who speak in front of the congregation the most, that have the largest platform. They need to be on board. So, they need to be gathering together, watching these videos together, putting everybody on the team together. So, that's what I would suggest. We have a video that is on the website, that is designed to just get maximum buy in to the Board, the church's Elders Board or Trustee Board, or whatever gathering structure. And so, I would sit them down, find that video, watch that video, and just have a conversation about, "How can we all participate and make sure we get 100% participation and buy in to this initiative?" Yeah. We just finished module zero. We're getting ready to go into module one. The reason why it's a question is because now is where we get into the nitty-gritty. And so, that's why I asked that question. But the second question I got, in module one you talk about demographics. And when I go online and I look at demographics, it don't tell me much. It tells me population and stuff like that. My question to you is, what did y'all use for demographics to help you to figure out some things as far as what's needed in the city? So, we did a couple things. Just looking at demographics around our community, we were able to see what the median income is, what people's job... What kinds of jobs were in our community. And it really helped us to understand who we're trying to reach and how can we best reach them? So, if you have an older congregation and you look around your community and there is a younger, say 20's and 30's is the most rapidly growing population, that kind of tells you how you should... What kinds of worship music you should have and what kind of programs you should offer. We used it to help us better understand the community that we were in. And then later on, we took our database and we uploaded it. And I don't remember the program, but there are some... It's just been awhile since we did it and I don't personally do that myself, but we will... There are some services that will map will membership. And we found that interesting, because in terms of how we marketed to the community, we would upload our database of all the members, the people who give regularly and whoever we've got names and addresses for, we would upload that and then get a map that showed us little red dots where all of our people were coming from. And so, that showed us a couple things. It showed us where we're strong. If you've got a lot of membership around a particular park in the community, let's have some events around that park. Or say there's an area that we thought we had a lot of people but we don't, we want to target that area. So, just knowing the facts helps you make your decisions better, and that's what we did and we continue to do. Okay. Thank you, Jerry. That helped my question a lot. Thank you so much. Great, Sam. Thank you and I'm super glad that you're on board. I know you're just in month one. There's a whole lot ahead of you and I'll be praying for you, that God will bless your efforts and just give you unity. Because the most important thing you need is unity. The spirit of unity is the spirit of God and if you don't have the Holy Spirit, if you don't have the Spirit of Unity, you really can't go very far. So, that's what I pray for our churches all the time. Amen. Thank you, Jerry. All right. Thank you, Sam. All right, everyone. Press *6 if you want to get in the queue and we'll keep going with the next question. Hey, Jerry. Vern Risner, First Baptist Church, Pekin, Illinois. We really appreciate all you guys are doing with 24toDouble. I have two questions. Is there an evaluation tool that you use to help you guys evaluate the effectiveness of your big events? Kind of weighting material, what's most important in the criteria, weighting areas? Anything you guys have found that's been beneficial? I don't know that there's a tool, but we look at our metrics every week. And we determine what really matters to us and in our staff meeting every week, we look at things like how many people were in attendance, what was the giving, how many decisions for Christ did we have? We're constantly looking how many small groups are we having and how many participants in small groups do we have? How is our growth track going? How many people are in pastor's breakfast? And are they graduating from pastor's breakfast going into a connect class? Because that connect class is our first small group. So, we're constantly evaluating all those metrics. And our team sets goals for what we want to see. We want to see 80% of our Sunday morning attendance in small groups. And we want to have a certain number of people who make decisions for Christ. I don't remember the exact goal. I think it's 50% goal of people who make a decision for Christ and mark it on a card. We want at least 50% of those people to be baptized within the month. And so, we set some of those goals. And coming out of the gate, it's kind of hard to set those goals, but we just looked at past trends and looked at areas that we felt like we could get better in and we just made higher and more lofty goals in those areas. And we just look at the same data every week. That makes sense. What about specific to big events? Because there's so many components to a big event. You do a mailer, you do a personal invite, you do the event itself, obviously the attendance. Any weighting criteria you think is most important for that? Well, we have a big event review. So about a month out from Kid Fest, we just actually had it yesterday, we're going to sit down and say what went right, what went wrong, what was confusing, what was unclear, what can we do better next year? And that would include things like our marketing, especially on Easter. We'll have a tent for people to come out and we have some people walking around the welcome tent with questionnaires and they've got a clipboard and they just ask you a few questions like, "How did you hear about Easter at Daystar? Who did you come with? Was it a billboard? Was it a Facebook invite? Was it a friend? Did anybody hand you an invite card?" And so, we get that data as best we can from people. We also will regularly, and I'm reaching for this card because I have some cards printed that gives an online survey that I'll have people to do. If you want to see... In fact, I'm going to give out a very long web address so anybody that's listening right now can take this web address down, and you could actually see our survey. And you could walk through our survey and just kind of see what it looks like. The card that I print and we hand out to people actually has a QR code on it, but I can't give that to you obviously over this call. But if you want to take this down, it's daystarchurch.typeform, T-Y-P-E-F-O-R-M, .com/to/lbpzsy. And what Jessica's going to do is she's going to put that link on the membership site so that you guys can see that. I'll hit it for you one more time, daystarchurch.typeform.com/to/lbpzsy. And of course that's for people who don't have a QR code reader on their phones, but we give that out. And so, I guess just to answer your question, we have just multiple ways to try to get feedback from different people. And we compile that data, we look at it regularly and just sit down as a team and say how can we do better? It's kind of like the illustration of a barrel with slats, or whatever the lowest slat is, that's as high as the water's going to go. You could have the greatest sermon, the greatest workshop ministry, but if your parking team is terrible and you have a parking lot problem, then you're just not going to grow past that parking lot team. So, we try to find where the low slat is and work on that. Okay, last question. What method did you guys use or methods did you guys use to get folks to do the gifts and passions survey? It seems like we've pushed and pushed and pushed and we've only got about a third of the church, not even a third of the church who has filled them out yet. So, right now we do it in Pastor's Breakfast, but in terms of the very first time that we wanted people to do it, I've done it a couple different ways over the years, but one time I did a sermon series on it and I literally handed out paper and pen during the sermon and walked people through the survey. I'm a big fan of a hook. Every single Sunday, I want to give a hook to convince you to come back. And so, that Sunday the hook was, "I want to be able to tell you what your God given destiny is. If you fill this out, by the time you come back next Sunday, I'm going to tell you what it is." And so, I got a lot of participation that way. We've also done it at... Because we've been doing this a long time, and the Christian rate of your church, even if you get everybody to fill it out, within a couple years, you're going to have a lot of people there who have not filled it out. So, we've done it again by doing it at a Dream Team event, where we get all of our volunteers there and we do some kind of a fun event. But then we will have some kind of a quick teaching moment about spiritual gifts, and then sit everyone down, all the volunteers that are there and sit them down and do a little bit of training, as well as have them fill out the survey to give to us. All righty. Very helpful. Thanks again, Jerry. Appreciate you guys. Hey, thanks for your call. All right, press *6 if you have a question and get in the queue. You should hear a prompt, and go ahead and give me your name and your church and we'll get started. Hey, Jerry. This is Jeff Rogers. I'm pastor of Christian Fire Assembly in Maryland. Hi, Jeff. Hi. I pretty much understand the concept of everything that 24toDouble is about. We're not a very large congregation. Matter of fact, we recently have changed our location from a rented space into a facility that we purchased. So, we're working out a number of different logistic thing concerning that. So, one of the things, logistically speaking, is where to set up my pastor's breakfast, which I've pretty much concluded is just going to happen in my office. I can have maybe seven or eight people in my office. And if I understand this concept right, you have maybe some light refreshments, but you're going to focus on the vision and evangelism training and the gift discovery and discipleship. I think that's what you focus on. And incidentally, I just told everybody at our church, "You're filling out this survey. Period." There you go. Don't ask. Just tell. Yeah, you just tell them, "That's what we need to do." If you have an interest in seeing the church make an impact in the community, we need this. Anyway, so my question is, how often would you say somebody could be a returner to the pastor's breakfast? Because I think I understand that from the pastor's breakfast, you want to start looking at connect groups. We call them ISGs or individualized groups. Anyway, how often would you say somebody should be coming into your pastor's breakfast? Well, we did a survey of a lot of our leaders just in the past year. And what we found is people want connection more than information. And just hands down, it's connection, connection, connection. And so I said, "If we were to sacrifice information to give more connection, or should be sacrifice some of the connection to give more information?" I don't think I had anybody who voted for more information. Everybody wanted more connection. So, what we said is, "We're going to introduce ourselves to you at pastor's breakfast. And we're just going to..." We bought a couple waffle irons and you just sit down and we've got dough mixed up when you get there and we just make waffles and you just hang out and you talk. There's a little brief video that was created with me and our team, and it's very inspiration. It tells you where we come from. Really three simple things in that video. We want to say, "This is where we've come from, this is where we're going, and thirdly, this is how you can help us get where we're going." And that's the long and short of what that video says. This is where we are and where we've come from. This is where we're going and this is how you can help us get there. So then, the leadership team fields questions that they have. We go over a little bit of information about how to on ramp into our church. We give them a booklet that covers a lot of information that we used to sit down and talk about in greater detail and information about who we are, what we believe in, those kind of things. And then when they get to the connect group, that's where... They meet every week in that connect group. And that's where we sprinkle in things like the spiritual gift test, getting people to get on serving teams, the Dream Team, things like that. We used to try to get all that in pastor's breakfast, and we found out it's not as... People didn't feel... It didn't feel like they'd been to a party. They felt like they'd been to a seminar. And we wanted them to go to a party [crosstalk 00:23:54]. Yeah, that's right. So, we've moved that around a little bit, and that's really the thing about 24toDouble is we're in... I think Richard told me we're in something like 26 countries right now and we're in every state in the US. Thousands of churches now. So, it really can't be a rubber stamp model. You really have to figure out what's the best way to put these principles place in your environment. Even at Daystar, we continually are shifting just slightly. Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but we're slightly making some adjustments. I understand. I mean, the spirit of God is moving, you got to move with him. He gives you the scripture, but he's not stagnant. That's exactly right, brother. That's exactly right. All right, anything else? Not at the moment. I'll let somebody else come through with their question, but I'll try to make the next question period that you have. All right, brother. Thank you. All right, thank you. Okay, everyone. Press *6 if you have a question. Even if you already asked a question and you want to get back in line, press *6 and jump right back in there. And we'll go ahead with the next question. Hello, Richard? Yes, this is Jerry. I'm sorry, Jerry. Pastor Edgar here from Atlanta North Seven Day Adventist Church. I just signed up for the program and I've only done module zero and one, but I like what I see. So, thank you so much, you guys, for really putting the effort and putting this together. My question is regarding discipleship path. My church, maybe, I don't know if you're familiar with SDA, but we're kind of a program heavy denomination. And I'm trying to figure out a way of having more of a discipleship path. What do you think should be the main elements for people to take their next step as they come in from a first time guest all the way to being a disciple, gung-ho for the Lord and bringing more disciples into the church? So, I'll shut up and I'll let you answer that question. Thank you so much, Jerry. Okay, Edgar. And you feel free to ask me a followup, because I want to make sure I get at what you're asking. But my initial thoughts are, we have to ask ourselves, "What is the journey that we want our people to take?" And then the second question is, "What is a path that they could actually get there?" So, what we want at Daystar is we want a full disciple, someone who is committed to our local church, someone who gives regularly, someone who is serving in the church and is demonstrating a spirit-filled life. In other words, their life has changed. You can tell they're not motivated by the flesh or by the world, but they're motivated by the Holy Spirit. Those are the four things. And as you keep going, Edgar, you're going to hear one of the modules where I talk about, if I haven't already... I can't remember. There's 25 modules, so I don't remember where all the material is exactly, but we say those are the four things we want. We want you regularly attending worship, we want you giving, you want your serving, and we want you demonstrating a spirit-filled life. And so, we feel like you can't do that on your own. Proverbs 27, I think it is, it says, "As iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another," or people shape each other. And so, we want people in groups. So, that's the use of the first thing. The first thing we want is we want people in groups, because we don't feel like that people will just do that because the church tells them to do that. Read your Bible or become a better husband, or whatever three points that we put in our sermon. We just don't believe, and our experience has proven it, that just telling them to do it is going to make it happen. They've got to have someone to come along the side of them. So, the first thing we want to do is on ramp them into a group, a meaningful group of some kind. And so, that would be how we view that. Edgar, I'm interested to see... Is your church a church of groups? Do you do groups like that? No. Like I said, we're a program heavy church. We have a program basically every month and that gets a lot of our volunteers involved. And I'm relatively new to that particular church, but I do see volunteer fatigue already, big time. And so, I heard in your... I think it was module one, when you were talking about four big events and that was like music to my ears, because they seem to have a purpose. Whereas here, we have tons of ministries and everyone is competing to have an event put on the calendar, if you get what I'm saying. But what I see, and I've been in this church for only two years, but what I see is, how do I make a person start from point A to point B, which is a committed disciple for the Lord? And it's not through programs, for sure. It's not through programs. Well, Edgar, a book I would encourage... And you'll hear me talk about it in the teaching, is the book Simple Church by Tom Rainer. Tom's one of those two authors. I don't recall the other, but Simple Church. It talks about specifically the problem you're dealing with right now, is that over time churches get program heavy. It's a natural process, because what happens is 10 years ago, someone had this brilliant idea and it was great and it was even spirit inspired to do whatever this program is. And so, we put that on our calendar that we're going to do this program. But then over time, it doesn't have as much as effectiveness. It doesn't fit the culture of where we're headed as a church. Maybe the person who had the inspiration doesn't even go to our church anymore, but it stayed on the program. And then two years later, someone got a new revelation, a new idea, and that go added on. And program after program after program, year after year, what happens is we end up with just a program heavy church. And the book Simple Church will really help you to identify why we need to trim back things. And so what we did, when we got this revelation at my church, Edgar, I told my team, "Every time you add one event to the calendar, you have to remove two." And we had a season of time, and it's not that case anymore, but we had a season of time where that was the only way you could do it. And even now our rule is if you add one event, you have to take one off. No one can add anything without taking something off. Because it's tempting. That's how people see why they're actually doing something, and yet I personally feel that we need to spend our time in growing as disciples. Yes, absolutely. And you just need to find what is effective. And if it's not effective, it doesn't matter whose idea it was or if it used to be effective. If it's not effective right now, then we need to move onto something else. Great. Thank you so much for just taking the time and I love the program, and we just hope to stay with you guys for a long time. Appreciate it. Okay, Edgar. Thank you. All right. Again, if you have a question, press *6 and get in the queue and we'll take the next question right now. Hi. This is Joe Bell. I'm at East Side Church in Gastonia, North Carolina. We've been trying out your program. I love the information and material. I had some questions about the survey that you gave us a link to. Can I ask those here or is there somebody I should have you get in touch with me with? No, you can go ahead and ask that right now. Okay. How did y'all get in with Typeform? That seems to be your vendor for the survey. I had never heard of them. Well, actually, Chik-fil-A, the owner of the local Chik-fil-A here in our town uses that vendor. He asked me to fill out a survey for him in the same way and so I just had my... When I filled out the survey I thought that was a great idea for the church, and I had my assistant to just go to their website and sign up for it. So, it's pretty simple. They do it for free. I'll look at that. Right now we use Google Surveys, the Google Forms version of it. But it seems to be about the same thing. You only have a range on one of the questions. Usually when you do a survey you give people a range and then room to comment, but you seem to only have a range on one of them. I didn't know if there was a thought process behind that or not. To tell you the truth, I haven't looked at that survey in about a year, so I may have to plead ignorance on you there. I don't remember exactly why it went the way it went. So, I'd have to look at that myself. Okay. And what kind of response do you get? How do you put this out and what kind of response do you get out of, say 20 visitors? That's a good question. Here's what we do. We don't give it to everybody. we don't broadcast this is a mass way. Like I said to the caller who called earlier, we have a lot of different ways to get data back from people. This one, I personally have a handful of staff members, and I tell them, "I want you handing this out only to young families." That's our target audience, and so I'll go just after young families. And we've had very, very good responses, a lot of very positive responses. But we'll get some things occasionally like, "Hey, it's too loud or it's too dark in the auditorium." And if one person says that, then it's not that big a deal. But if we have five or six in the same weekend, then we go, "Yeah, that's probably a thing." Because you get all this anecdotal evidence, "People are saying it's too loud," or, "People say it's too cold," or, "People say whatever." I want to know who that is, because... And I really don't want to offend anybody, but I've learned in my ministry I'm pretty good at it. So, I might offend somebody right here, right now, but I'm sorry. But there is a certain age class of people that just are more prone to complain. And we know that. Everybody hearing my voice right now knows what I'm talking about. And so, I just don't personally put as much weight on that age class. And I'll tell you another reason why I don't put as much weight on that age class, is there's not many people in that age class that are lost and are attending churches. People that are in their senior years or even older than middle age, you take somebody that's 50 years old, they're not making a lot of life altering decisions anymore. If you really want to sow your seed in a place where they'll make a life altering decision, you go find 20-somethings. Those are the people that are dropping... I've got one engineer, a young 20-something engineer. His wife is a recent graduate from nursing school and they're making six figures combined. They're dropping it all to go into missions. If I can influence those kind of people, I feel like I'm making a bigger difference. And whether that be going into ministry or just giving their life to Christ. So, in this particular survey, I target only young families or young singles, because that's who I'm trying to aim at. Do you have a basic guest survey you have? Or is this the only thing you use? We don't have a guest survey. If somebody visits, what do you have as a response form for them? Yeah, we just have a prayer card that we have people fill out. We ask them to tell us what your prayer needs are and we go into that in the program a little bit, but we don't have an information card. We have a prayer card, which happens to have that information on it. Because nobody wants to give you their information, they want to give you their prayer request. And so, a lot of times we get feedback on that, "I loved this," or, "I wish we wouldn't have had that," or something like that, but we don't have an every week guest survey. Just a guest prayer card. Okay. Well, I really appreciated being part of the program. I don't know if we're going to be able to continue, but we've seen is really good. Thanks a lot. Well, I'm glad to hear that. And we're going to be coming out with some coaching networks that I'm really excited about, and you will probably be hearing about that, actually within the next two to four weeks. So guys, keep a look out on your email, your inbox. We're going to be offering this to people outside of the 24toDouble network, and these are coaching environments where you work directly with me and a limited number of people over the phone, and we will select one specific topic. I can go ahead and tell you that the first topic we're going to select is how to take giving to a whole new level in your church, and how to develop a culture of generosity and how to take... There's basically five giver levels in your church and we're going to show you how to identify all five of those and take them to the next level. That's going to be a really great program that's going to be available. You're going to get half-off, is what you'll be offered, because you're in 24toDouble or 24toDouble alumni. So, if you've ever been in 24toDouble, you'll get it for about half of what anybody else is paying for it. So, you guys be looking out for that. You'll start getting some emails on that very soon. Okay, thanks. Yeah, thank you so much. All right, guys. It looks like we've got about 15 to 20 minutes left, 15, 18 minutes. If you have a question- Hi, Jerry. This is Peggy Caldwell. I'm calling you from the outskirts of Atlanta. I'm with the Vine Community Church. Well, welcome to the call, Peggy. Great to hear from you. Thank you. Believe it or not, I am the lay minister who is the project and program director for the introduction and use of 24toDouble in my church. Well, great. I walked in, raised my hand and offered to do it. It is not the first time that I've led gigantic projects for my church. In my career life, that's what I did. I was a project manager. Really huge projects. The last one I did when I was being paid was a $600 million project. So, that said- Let me go ahead and tell you, Peggy, if you ever move to Alabama, please come to my church, because I need members like you in my church. I would love to. I have to tell you, I spent a long time in Birmingham, Alabama. That's where I was for many years. I love Alabama. I'll tell you, I'm married to an Auburn grad, so I don't know where that sits with you. But I'll just let that ride, okay? Oh, that's fine. That's just fine. We'll just let that one go. But now you know where my canned goods would go, which bucket. I hear you. All right. I essentially have kind of one overall question and then two that might a little too specific, and you may not remember them, as they may be nitty-gritty. Let me start, because a lot of mine are about the gift testing. We, in our church... And I've had conversations with people all around the church, and when I start talking about gift testing, they go, "Not again. Not again, please. I've done that. Been there, done that so many time." And the last time, we used and are continuing to use a product you may or may not be familiar with, called Assess Me. It is pretty much beyond just gifts. It also goes into personality types and then kind of an overall name for... About 12 names for where you fit in terms of do you like people, do you like things? So, I'm a disseminator. That won't be hard to guess here for a minute. So, I think for a while, we're probably kind of stuck with the gift test we've got. And I've been looking at, can I possibly map that into the simpler structure that you all have? And I believe I can. Have you ever had this issue come up? Do y'all have a recommendation around that, or is your answer pretty much, "Hey, ditch what you got and go forth"? No, the only thing I would say is what we have is, we actually did what you're describing. We built it out of multiple other products and we built our own. And we first just used Excel. Our church administrator just created an Excel spreadsheet that puts in both the gifts and the passions. And we ask questions on both sides, and basically made a little spider graph that kind of shows you what your gift mix looks like. And then there was an intersection on the graph of your area of passion, that is just basically said, "Hey, you're scoring an 80 out of 100 over here as prayer focus, under children's ministry emphasis. So, you're going to get the email and phone number of the children's ministry director. They're going to get your email and phone number and we're going to be pushing you to contact them, and they're going to be pulling at the same time." So, we talk about pushing and pulling all the time on our team. We're not getting enough connections and we say, "Well, what's happening wrong? Are we not pulling enough?" You can't just rely on them to push up to you. You've got to pull down from them. And so, I would just encourage you to... I mean, if it works for you... I mean, we don't have a corner on the market on the spiritual gift test. You could certainly build your own- Here's how I kind of feel about that. None of us are going to really change what are the real spiritual gifts, right? No, we just hope to identify it. [crosstalk 00:43:42] and very well documented. So, I think we can get around it. I just wondered if you'd heard of Assess Me and if you've come across this where somebody's got to do it. You may have answered what was my second question. This was literary specific. Somebody asked me this in our meeting, our kickoff where we went through module zero on Tuesday. And they wanted to know how was the mercy gift picked for recruiters? And I of course didn't have an answer for that. I just said, "We'll figure it out as we go." But I'm curious what your response would be to that. So, people with the mercy gift are good with people. They're good conversation starters. And when you talk about recruiting someone... Let's say you're a first impressions person. You've got some people in first impressions that are good with stuff. They're going to make sure the doors open and close, locked and unlocked. There's going to make sure if there's a spill in the lobby, someone gets it up, they're going to put the traffic cones out. But there are certain people that are really good with people. And you're going to find the people people have a mercy gift, most of the time. This is not an exact science, but the majority of the time they like people. And they have that sales gene. You go ask all your people you've gift tested, "How many of you are salesmen?" And raise their hand. And how many of those with their hand up scored high in mercy? They're going to all score high in mercy. If they don't, they're probably not selling much product. They need to do something different. That person who has a rapport with people, they're easy to talk with them. If we coach them up a little bit on recruiting and shoulder tapping people into the ministry, they're going to do really well in that. But if you're looking for... If you've got somebody on the team that's looking for a Bible verse that says the recruiter is the mercy gift, there's none of that there. That's just our experience. If I could just ask one last question and then I'll get off and let somebody else have a turn. What kind of support databases do you use in your church? We have currently CCB. We're looking at Planning.... It's got more to its name. Planning-something. But what do y'all use? Yeah, Planning Center? Is that the one you're talking about? That's the one, yeah. That's a really, really good program. And they recently added a lot of extra modules, and we really loved that. So, you get to invite people to serve on Planning Center. It's inexpensive- Is that the one you're using? Well, we use- What I've seen of it so far, we're just digging into it and I've spent some time kind of just looking around at their webpages and what they offer, and I really liked what I saw. So, that's what you're using, okay. We're using four. I'll tell you all four that we're using. We're using ACS, which is a... That's your financial database. We're using Fellowship One, which is a database more to keep up with people's personal information and their spiritual gift test, prayer requests, anything like that, that you want to keep up with them. We're using Planning Center for all volunteers and small groups. So, that's a really... And of course that works great for worship. Planning Center started out as a program for worship ministry. And so, it started there. And then we use something called Mortar Stone, and that is to... And in fact, we'll talk more about Mortar Stone for those who join in, in the Giving Coaching Network that we're going to do. But Mortar Stone is how we develop data, where we keep up stopped giving reports. We're able to tell what each person's giving history is and we get an alert when their giving history changes, when they stop giving or they give more or they give less or something like that. And so, we use Mortar Stone for that. So, we're a big church and we use a lot more stuff, but if I had to say which one you can quickly onboard and do the most in, I would say it's Planning Center. Yeah. Like I said, we've got CCB, but we're only... Only some people are using it. But that's our issue. I appreciate your time on that, sir. Blessings to you and your church, and God be with all of us. We need him, don't we? We need him. But- We sure do. We're joyful in that need. Thank you, Peggy. Pass a war eagle along to your husband for me. I will do that. And my oldest son, too. Thank you. Okay, good deal. All right. We got time for a call or two more. Go ahead. Hi, Jerry. Pastor Mike from New Beginnings in Harker Heights, near Fort Hood. I'm asking about a good spiritual gifts test versus a bad test from somebody, based on your observation. How do you handle that? Are you talking about how I handle it within my church? Yeah. What I'm saying is, I look at someone's spiritual gift test and it says they're not a teacher and I'm watching or observing them when they're obviously a trainer. I don't see how you test it that way. Do you bother retesting them or... Well, I might. Mike, here's what I might do, because people are flawed. They're going to answer the way they- Right, the way they think you want them to. Yeah, they're going to answer idealistically, optimistically. The question that says, "I enjoy intensive Bible study," nobody's going to put a zero on that, even though some people don't. So, if I can look at your survey and get what I feel like I want out of it, I'll just stick with it. And I'll say, "Hey, look right here. Number three is a trainer/teaching gift. I really see that emerging in you," even though they see prophesy is number one and you know that's just not accurate. So, I'll kind of try not to be confrontational if I don't have to be, "Hey, you took this test wrong. You need to retake it." You don't want to do that if you don't have to. But there have been times when I just tell the whole group, "Hey, you know what we're going to do? We're going to all retest. And let me make one thing clear, I need you to answer not how you wish or you hope, but just be abundantly honest." And then I'll point out a few things, "Like over here, I really enjoy counseling people through their problems. I'll say, your pastor, I would put zero on that, because I don't like doing that." And I'll just sort of lower the bar for everyone and say, "You have permission to be honest with me." So, that's kind of the way I handle it, one of those two ways. Good. Let me do a followup to that. How often do you gather the like-minded together? In other words, do you gather your prophets together, or do you gather your... Other than your Dream Team times, do you pull just those specific out from there? Most of the time [crosstalk 00:50:49]. Yeah, Mike, most of the time it's just... What we're doing right now, and again we change things up a lot, is a quarterly Dream Team celebration. And so at that event, we'll pull together the person who is our prayer leader over the home church. We'll call together every prayer leader over every ministry and have a nice talk and it's less training. It's more spiritual stuff. It's more, "Hey, you guys are the prayer warriors of this church. Tell me what you've been hearing in your prayer time. Tell me what you've been feeling." It's just more of a camaraderie. Early on in the journey, there is certain a need for more training. But as you get a good robust team, it's more for camaraderie and communication. Right, inspiration. The other thing I was just trying to followup, when you're training on the teams in the training, the different sessions, when it's talking about certain teams, other team members are feeling like, "Why should I be here for their teams?" And I'd like to hear your response to that. In other words, as you're talking about team one, why are team two people there? So, where are you in the journey? What month are you guys on? We're not in 16 yet where it's divested out. We're still in, I think team training six or seven. So, the only thing I would say about that is, early on in the first year, I like to have everybody there, just simply because you can't really know what you want to do until you've heard the full teaching of what's going on. You might hear something that really motivates you about one team or another. And then the second thing is just that, "Hey, we might not have all these teams going and I may need you to raise your hand and say, 'I'll serve in this area.'" That's what I keep calling the Coalition of the Willing. I tend to try to build people up and say, "Hey, the reason I need you here is because I need you to go shoulder to shoulder with me and do anything I need you to do." But I wouldn't make a huge deal of it, Mike. If somebody's like, "Hey, I don't want to be here." Okay, well, we'll see you when it's your turn. I wouldn't make a big deal out of it individually. Okay. Because I've asked everyone who serves in every area of the church to be here at every meeting. And I've told them it's because I want you to understand, because this is church wide discipleship, how we're doing it. Yes. Well, and we want everybody to be a shoulder tapper. That's what we say. We want you to shoulder tap your friends, and you might be passionate about children's ministry, but your friend could care less about it. Well, at least you need to know what's happening over in first impressions or on the prayer team or even know we have a followup team or a big events team or something like that. You need to know about that. So, the more you know, the more you take ownership and the better advocate you are for the church. Thank you for that. I was going to ask another question, but I don't want to hog up the time. So, I appreciate it. Okay, Mike. I think that we have one or two more and we're going to try to get wrapped up in the next 10 minutes. Thank you. I so appreciate you and what you've done. Okay, Mike. Thank you. All right, I think we have two more. So, let's go ahead. Hey, Jerry. This is Cornell from Montgomery, Alabama and I just have one question for you. I'd like to know the best method to create events to involve the community. I would say the best way is to... I had a good pastor from Prattville, Alabama. I know you know where that is, Cornell. But he taught me that you got to... He said, "Boy, you got to scratch people where they're itching." And that's kind of a crude way of saying, "First you got to figure out what your community really needs." So, I would say ask them what they need. Now, here's what I do know about Alabama. The schools need help. The schools always need help in Alabama. That's true. And so, we're consistently... Last week, we were putting up Raider flags at one of our high schools. They're the Good Hope Raiders and they got these new drive signs, but they don't have enough help to get them up. So, we bought Quikrete and we went out and put these posts up. And we just blow up the social media. We do Facebook Live videos. We take pictures. We tag the administrators. They love that. That gets our brand out there more in the community. People are seeing it on multiple Facebook feeds. And so, that's been the area that... And it also touches peoples' hearts. Because everybody in our community knows how much our schools need help. And so, I would say probably the first place to go is in the schools. The schools are usually very open, if you demonstrate that you're not there to proselytize, but you're there to serve. We've found that the schools are pretty open to that. Okay. So, start with the schools first and then venture off into other areas? Yeah. Listen, I have the many principals and administrators in my community, I have their number in my phone and I will text them every now and then, "Hey, I just wanted you to know I'm praying for you. I know you got a gigantic school year coming up." I text them about six weeks ago and I said, "Hey, I hope you're enjoying the little bit of time off. I'm praying for you. I know school's going to be ramping up in a month or so." And I want to add value to them over and over and over and over again before I ever say, "Hey, can we come on the school grounds and do something for you?" I want to constantly be adding value so that when they see me, they're like, "Hey, something good is about to happen. This guy always makes me feel good. He always encourages me or he always does something for our community." Okay, that sounds great, Jerry. We're going to do our very best to implement that process, because I believe in what you're saying. I think that is important that we do involve the schools, especially in this area down here in Montgomery. Sure. Well, thank you, Cornell. All right, thank you. Thank you. God bless you. If I have my numbers right, there should be one more [crosstalk 00:57:39]. Yeah, go ahead. Who's next? Yes, this is Larry from Philadelphia. How are you? I'm doing great, Larry. Thanks for calling. All right, great. Thanks for having me. I see we got two minutes left. I'm going to make it quick. We went through the gifting and things of that nature, finding out people's spiritual gifts and everything like that. We're on vacation now as you can hear in the background probably, but when we get back, we wanted to start putting all the teams together. Any suggestions of how might we do that, in terms of what to start with and [crosstalk 00:58:17]. Go ahead. So what I would say, Larry, is resist the urge to put all the teams together at one time, because that's going to be a nightmare. And you probably won't have enough people to adequately put all the teams together. So, we have 24toDouble laid out in a way that gets the low hanging fruit out there first. What I mean low hanging fruit, I mean the easy wins. So, first impressions. I love to get first impressions out there quick. And even if somebody tests over here that, "Hey, I want to be in small groups or I want to be in followup," but we don't have that team yet, just ask them, "Hey, jump on board with first impressions. And then as we go along, you can kind of shift over to where you really want to be. But right now, I want you to help me get traction." And so, first impressions, your lobby team, good ushers. Not angry, old men standing at the door, but good ushers, good greeters, good parking lot attendants who are greeting and welcoming people. We have teenagers standing out there holding up signs that say, "Happy to see you, you are loved," things like that. That's a big win. Then your big events team. That big events component is a great team. That's going to be your outreach team who does that. So, putting that outreach team together, that makes baptisms a big deal now. That makes child dedication a big deal now. That makes four big events like Easter and Christmas and whatever else a big deal. So, those are the kind of areas that I would say we want to first get going. The other thing I would say is your existing ministries. So, you probably already got a worship team, you probably already got a choir, whatever you call it. Probably already got children's ministry. So, the teams that you already have in place, I would start to infuse them with this fivefold structure, to where people are doing what they're gifted to do and not trying to do everything else. So, that probably give you plenty to do right there, just to get started with, Larry. Well, I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Larry. I wish I was where you are. My vacation's over. Sounds like you're having more fun that I am. Yeah, Disney World, and then we're going on a cruise. So, it's well deserved. But thank you, guys. It is. God bless you, man. All right, Jessica. I don't know if we have any others that are in the queue. Actually, Jessica just sent me... Yeah, one more person. Let's go ahead. One more person. Hello? Do we have one more? Waiting just a second. I thought we had one more person. If you're there, go ahead and speak up. Jeff? Is there a Jeff? Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, go ahead, Jeff. I'm sorry. I had you on mute myself. Oh, okay. Sorry. That's all right. Go ahead. I know we're trying to wrap this call up, but I really felt... I want to say that I feel 24toDouble offers something that... Church growth programs have been around for a long time, but this one I thought was unique. And I want you lean on something with this question. I felt it was unique, because it was really inspired. Many times these church growth programs are set up in a very mechanical way. But I feel that you are truly a man that walks in a realm of revelation for the Lord. And I believe that's important. I mean, I'm just going to own that. I believe that we need to be led by the Holy Ghost in everything. Yes, we do. So, I wanted you to just kind of talk about the necessity of that symbiotic relationship between the intimacy that the leader has with God to establish that kind of intimacy with everybody on the team, to know when it's time to drop something, like you were talking about earlier, or pick up something or hear something from God to keep everything alive. You don't want anything that you're doing that's dead. So, I just felt like you could lean on that to help people to really understand, this truly is a great structure, but it's important to keep leaning on, listening to, and getting instruction from God. That's it. Yeah, Jeff, you're exactly right. And I would say this. The one person on this call who had it right more than anybody else was Larry, and that's because he's at Disney World. And what I mean by that is, if we leaders don't take time off, we can't hear from God clearly enough. I spent an hour, two hours on the phone last night with a pastor that is at the end of his rope, man. He's a 24toDouble guy, but he's just at the end of his rope. See, you can't get fresh revelation if you're just worn down all the time, serving, serving, serving, giving, going, preaching, encouraging, doing funerals, weddings, counseling. You've got to stop and hear from God. And that's what's going... See, all you guys, Jeff, we have an anointing. We all have an anointing on us and it's going to move people if we're convinced of it. And the reason this teaching is motivation and it reaches a lot of people is that I flat out believe in it. And for me, it comes down to... There's one teaching I give in there about the seven teams and how they all connect with Jesus. And so, first impressions. I know the data. I know that in the first seven to 15 minutes that a person comes on the grounds, they determine whether or not they're going to come back to your church. I know all that. I know that if people don't find seven friends in the first seven weeks that they're in your church, they won't come back. I know all that data. But really moves me is realizing that my first impressions team needs to be like the prodigal father, the father of the prodigal. And we are looking out that door, and there's somebody coming home today. And we get to fall on his neck, wrap him up, put a ring on his finger, kill the fatted calf, bring him in the house, we're going to have a celebration. Amen. And that is all through every one of our teams. You can see the spirit of Jesus. Amen. And pastors, if you're not convinced of that, you can't convince anyone else of that. I told one pastor one time, he said, "My church, I can't get anybody to come, they don't want to be here. I don't even think I'm going to stay with this church very long." I said, "Well, you keep coming because you need the personal revival of this teaching, and you need the education of this teaching. And you just take what you get, let it turn over and upside down in your spirit, you go back and share it with other people. And if that's not the church for you, then shake the dust off your feet and find out where God's calling you to next." But you have to be personally convinced of it. Jeff, I think you just basically poked a bear when you asked me to explain that, but I'm very passionate about what you asked me there. So, thank you for that. Amen. All right, brother. Thank you so much. Well, thank you. And I want to take this time to just thank everyone who stayed around for the call. As always, we record all of these, we put them on the website. So, feel free to go back, listen to some of these from years gone by. And I'm going to give you one more commercial that we're going to be offering some small groups that are going to be available to you, and I'd love for you to get on board with that. You'll start hearing a little bit about some free training that we're going to do on giving. And then once you connect and learn from some of that giving, then there's going to be some other options to go a little bit deeper in that. So, just watch your inbox. You'll see us talk about giving and that's sort of the on-ramp to that. But thank you so much for you call and I want to thank Jessica back in Atlanta for taking care of everything. And you guys have a great day and a great weekend, and we'll talk to you this time next month. God bless. Thank you for joining us for today's podcast. For more information about 24toDouble, check us out at doublechurch.com.

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