Compromise - Pastor Jerry Lawson

24D 32: 5 Things That Kill Your Progress As a Pastor and How to Avoid Them

Don't compromise! 5 Things That Kill Your Progress As a Pastor (& How to Avoid Them)

Call Notes

1.  Thinking too small and too short term

2.  We fail to develop a team.  Focus on these 8 areas:

  • Faith
  • Family
  • Finances
  • Freedom
  • Fun
  • Fitness
  • Friends
  • Focus

3.  You fail to empower YOUR generals

  • Early adopters
  • Mid adopters
  • Late adopters
  • Non-adopters

4.  Schizophrenic ministry

5.  Compromise

  • Don’t compromise your vision
  • Don’t compromise your model
  • Don’t compromise your character



  1. What is the vision of Daystar?
  2. How should we go about setting our goals?
  3. I have a great team.  How can I better empower them?


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Transcript +

All right folks. Good afternoon and welcome to this webinar. We're going to share with you today. We are hoping that you guys have come here excited about this. Let me give you a quick disclaimer. There's a brand new interface that this service just released this week. And so few things are changing about how we're going to be doing the Q and A session and how we're recording so if we have a couple of bumps in the road you know hopefully you will understand. But today we're talking about five things that kill your progress as a pasture and how to avoid them. This is what we call here at 20 40 that we just call them a value add call what that means is we just want to add value to your life. We just we just want to share you know as a pastor who has been hungry and I'm still hungry to know more to learn more to be a better steward of my gifts and talents and and to be able to be a workman who has shown himself worthy and studied as as well as I can. You know this is kind of the thing I'd want to know. This is kind of thing I'd want to have from other pastors who've maybe had gone before me in certain areas and so that's what we offer and share things like this. So this is what's going to happen today is we're going to run through this quit teaching and maybe maybe take me 20 to 30 minutes something like that. If you were on the call last week I went a little longer than I want to go because we didn't want to leave some time for Q and A and let you do some follow up and get questions. [00:01:45] So one thing I can tell you right now is if you want to get in the queue for your question to be asked you can go and press star six even though we won't be coming to you for another half hour or 20 minutes or so. But we'll we'll go through that line. Last week we didn't get through all the questions so we'll go as far as we can. But you feel get getting the line early. Go ahead and press star six. And with that being said we have Jessica back at the Control Center in Atlanta. I'm here in Alabama teaching you from my office and I want to get right started the number one thing that kills progress as a pastor is thinking too small and thinking too short term. We're thinking small and short term what we want to do is dream big and think long term. It's a true fact that we usually overstate what we can do in the short run and underestimate what we can do in the long run. We're thinking about what's gonna be done by the end of this year by the end of the sermon series. And we're not thinking long range and I think you think long range. Then you you dream bigger. And so what I would challenge you is don't get so focused on what's right in front of you that you fail to see things long term when you're when you're looking at what's right in front of you. You know what's happened in the last month or three months. Sometimes it feels like you're just running in molasses. You know you're going nowhere you take two steps forward you go three steps back. And that's because you're looking to short term and what not to do is cause you to lower your expectations both of yourself and your team and your church and what you want to do is you want to raise your expectations. [00:03:25] You want to think long term and put some big goals out there in front of yourself. If you think about it outside of the ministry Jesus not many great accomplishments have happened over a few years. Very few people are going to tell you they are very few people have changed the world in three years. Not one big moment or one big year one big Easter one big outreach that that really turns the church. It's a long range steady pace I would just encourage you to pace yourself and stay alone around for the long haul. And when we talk about dreaming big and casting big vision one of the ways to do that is to develop a healthy vision. Now everybody knows about how back to that says you know you get a vision from God. You paint it big on a billboard so that everyone may see it. You make it plain and obvious but if you like me and I've been in ministry a long time I'm I guess I probably should have started this out at the top. But you know one of the reasons why I teach today is because of a mentor of mine pastor are Dr. O and Weston who was a pastor and a church consultant Dr. West and when he helped us he consulted and helped us to develop what we now call the 24 bubble system which we didn't have at that time but we were sort of the beta church test for that church she started growing so rapidly and Dr. Weston insisted that I start training other pastors which I thought was kind of ridiculous because we were in a really small town. The town was Dodge City Alabama with a population of four hundred and ninety one people. [00:05:04] That's not like you 20 quid a double guys are on here and you've heard this story before but a lot of you I know that maybe this your first interaction with myself we started a church called Daystar Church in that tiny little community it was before it was just just on the cusp. It was in January 2002 just before you know a lot of these church planting model modules were models were out there and organizations that help you know there were not there was no denominational help that we received and you know it's just kind of scratching clawing learn what you can. And so our church grew just from just grit and hard work and determination and studying and learning and growing and what Dr. Weston pointed out to me is just how how much this story and this training is needed because it really answers a lot of peoples what I call their Yeah but moment you know you hear Andy Stanley talk about some some goal or some way of doing ministry and you've got a hundred Yeah but you're like Yeah. But my dad wasn't Charles Stanley and Yeah but I'm not in the largest city in the south. And yeah but I didn't plan a church you know where there's all that money and. Yeah but you know all those year buds and that could be if you're listening to Rick Warren or whomever may be talking the thing about our story is it eliminates that. I mean we literally our first year our income was less than one hundred thousand dollars for the church less than one hundred people a town of four hundred and ninety one citizens this thing works the things that I'm trying to teach and share with you. [00:06:40] It truly works and today you know we're a five campus church with you know 6000 in attendance about three thousand in Alabama on about 3000 in our our Africa Uganda campus. So it's all come from a vision that has grown as we have grown. And if you did this a long time like I've done in a long time there's gonna be some dry moments and dry spells and I remember specifically going out to the Gateway Conference in Dallas and feeling like I had no vision and they were talking about vision and Robert Morris the pastor there pointed out that back to you of course talks about the big vision but we sometimes rush to that verse that says make the vision plane so that everyone. Run to it in her back too and we overlook her back at one. I get cues about the vision of God to her back in her backpack back one is about the burden that God gave her back and it really sets up a reality that burden always precedes vision. And if you don't have a vision ask yourself Do I have a burden. And I bet you have a burden. I bet you can look at your community and say you there's something that frustrates me about our community maybe it's the unemployment maybe it's the drug activity maybe it's you know divorce rate maybe it's the way there's so much poverty maybe maybe all of those things drive this. The spiritual problems in your community. And that becomes a frustration point for you. And can I just suggest to you that probably that frustration that God allowed you to identify and feel is is him giving you a hint at your destiny that frustration is actually a burden from heaven. [00:08:22] And it's telling you what ought to be your vision. And so to the point that we're making today what kills your progress as a pastor is we think too small. We think about having a bigger attendance than last year. We think about growing the income. When were we thinking about changing a city changing a community. And pray for a God sized burden for your community lean into that burden. Write out what God is going to do about that burden through you and make it huge. Because people are motivated. First of all God is not afraid of big prayers. I think God is moved by big prayers and big faith. And I know that people are motivated by big goals and big. What if we don't reach that goal. OK. We set a goal last year to see 10000 people save in the 10 40 window and we only saw nine thousand one hundred and some odd. And I'm saying only we only led over 90 100 people who have never heard the name of Jesus in the faith with him. We have never made ninety one hundred if we didn't set a goal of 10000. And by the way this year we set our goal for 12000 and we've already you know we've got three or four months left of the year we've already exceeded 12000. So set big goals for yourself. Don't set small goals people don't rally to those goals. Here's the second thing that will kill your progress as a pastor. When we. Number two failed to develop a team. Now when I started Daystar Church I was a young guy in my 20s. Talented good looking and even more arrogant than I am today. I like to say it that way. [00:09:56] That was a joke. I hope somebody chuckled somewhere. I really do. But honestly I didn't put a lot of time to really develop my team because the church was really built on my energy and my charisma and my own talents. But you know what today it's been a long time ago I'm not merely a school and good looking and I'm honest I don't have quite the energy that they have been either. And you wonder if we're gonna have continued steady healthy growth. We have to build the church with a lot of different gifts. A lot of a lot of people's different all gifts that they can offer you know whatever whatever they have to bring to the table. And so that's what discipleship is all about. I remember a couple of years ago we were in a season of prayer and fasting in our church and God spoke to me as I was praying about my team my leadership team which is my paid staff as well as volunteer staff. Obviously I've had both you know when we started out I was the only person paid and I was barely paid. Now we have a very large staff but we still work through a lot of volunteers and I heard God say to me in that prayer season he said I'm going to give you. He says I will give you the greatest church staff ever. If you're willing to build them from the ground up. And I'll never forget that the height quoted that to my team that what we're gonna do is we're not going to go out and have somebody from church staffing dot com or go steal somebody from the church across town because he has a bigger youth group and our youth group. [00:11:23] That's not how are going to do it but little by little we're going to invest in everybody. I'm literally looking at the next first time yes to walk through the doors of our church as potentially the next senior pastor of the church. I want to develop every single person all the way up to the guy that answers to me that is our executive pastor. And number two in the organization I'm meeting with him and developing him. These are the areas we try to develop everybody in and I'll rapid fire these off faith family finances freedom fun fitness friends and focus your focus is your area of ministry your freedom area is that area in your life that most likely could put you into bondage. Maybe it's an anger issue. Could be porn addiction could be whatever your thought lot but all all eight of those areas we want to develop that person as opposed to me sitting down with someone and saying how big your Sunday school class or do you have enough people on the worship team Harlem see more people in the choir. That's the focus. That's that's out of those eight things. That is the last area we cover but we want to cover every part of your life. And so I'm down in the week with my team members now I'm not with a lot of team members like that I've got about five our campus pastors and our executive pastor though the ones that I'm personally developing and they're developing people underneath him and the people underneath him are developing volunteer staff. And people feel so firm and so cared for when I'm literally asking how are your finances. Are you having enough fun in life. Tell me about the friendships you have. [00:13:01] You have friendships that you can really lean on and so that is developing people we have an internship program where we take high school kids they go to college all literally at our church and do internships. We have an evening Bible program where we're we're teaching Bible classes to adults who just want to serve better at the church. We have a student focused ministry where we're focused on students because I know that the two major hurdles that stand in the way of Daystar Church accomplishing its mission. There's two major hurdles and they are financial resources and people resources. We've got to constantly nurture generosity and I'll be teaching some more on that. I hope you guys will look at your inbox and and get the invitation to these other teachings within one to talk a lot about how to nurture generosity how to show you the five types of givers that there are and how to respond to all different givers and that's a big thing that's coming up. I've been studying and preparing that but there's there's financial resources that we sometimes overlook. There's a great need of people resources. Your next children's pastor is in your church. You know he's a children's pastor right now of the largest campus of Daystar Church. I met that kid on his first day of first grade. His name's Luke Parker. Fantastic young man. I met him on his first day of first grade because I was at the school and today he's the children's pastor over my largest campus. So we are constantly developing that team. The third thing pastors do that software growth and momentum is number three failed to empower your generals. You have to empower your generals here's what I mean by that if you develop a vision and you cast that vision with clear communication and you regularly are casting vision God will give you people who buy into that vision and will carry that vision. [00:14:56] Those are your generals and you must empower them. Now there are generals all through your church. There are people with authority and and people that have a platform and people that quite frankly in some churches there are members that have more authority than the senior pastor just because they've been around a long time or whatever reason you want to make sure you're empowering your generals. I'm not trying to run off people and create you know turbulence you know among people that may not have the vision yet but I do want to empower mind my generals and people who have captured our vision so there'll always be people that will challenge you. And there are actually four categories of people and how they take your vision. They are number one. They are early adopters. Middle doctors number two. Number three lay the doctors in number four. There is always not an option let me say what I mean by that early adopters are people who adopt your vision quickly. It really doesn't matter what comes out of your mouth they're bought into you. And even before they understand fully what you're asking they're on board. Thank God for the early adopters. There are very few by the way better in that category a very small percentage. But secondly there are middle doctors. These are people who have a passion they love you they trust you but they do want to understand what you're talking about and they'll get on board for pretty quick. You know after that it makes sense to them and you can take the early adopters and the mid adopters and you can change a city with those people if you know what to do with the other two categories. Now the third one are what I call late adopters. [00:16:33] These are people that don't necessarily dig their heels in the mud and buy queue for the change you want to bring but they are not really going to be on the front edge either. They're going to wait to see the results. That's not what we want really but they're going to always be there and that's OK. I don't want to I don't want to create enemies out of those people. And then number four there are you're not doctors. They're just not going to change. They're not going to catch your vision. You can hear from heaven you can cast clear and compelling vision. You could see dynamic results. They're still not going to do it all right. Some people just will not buy into it but be careful because some people why they don't buy into your vision and they don't carry your vision. They will finance your vision because they they believe in tithing they believe in giving. This is their church. They've been there a long time. I don't want to create such animosity but those people will not. You know buy in to at least continuing to give and finance provision so say what you want to do there with those folks is you want to find ways to accommodate them outside of the vision and the direction of the church. I'll give you an example when I was a pastor in a small struggling church. We're just getting started. I had a group of people that really didn't like how we were doing things and they they don't they don't want to do any any kind of changes. I would I would go to their house. I would drink coffee on the front porch I'd talk about their family. I would talk about their grandchildren. [00:18:03] Those are ways that you can draw people into your circle without giving up your vision you continue to do your vision. OK so empower your own General. Number four this will kill a pastors ministry schizophrenic ministry. Schizophrenic ministry. See what I mean by that is you don't really know what your model is. You don't really know who you are. You don't really know what you are trying to do today you're listening to Jerry Lawson training and you're going to throw away yesterday's ideas and jump on this. Tomorrow you're going to catch a Craig Rochelle leadership podcast and you're going to throw away something and do that. Next month you're going to be at this conference are going to be seven different speakers from seven different churches and you will get a hodgepodge of this that or something else. Hey that is a schizophrenic ministry and it just won't work. Now here's here's one thing that certain you do have a ministry model you do. You might say well no we just love Jesus and we just preach the gospel. That's naive. You absolutely have a ministry model. Now if you grew up in church your model is probably not a great model unless you've intentionally focused on what your model is. Because the church we grew up in those of us who did. There was a time in American history that 80 percent of Americans went to church on Sunday. Fast forward from the seventeen hundreds up to about 1940. You had about 40 percent of Americans in church today on a given Sunday. Twenty two percent would be a good number. And by the year 2050 is projected to be at about ten point seven percent. So what does that tell me. We are in steep decline and the ministry model that we have grown up under the way we do things has not translated into this new generation. [00:19:54] And so most pastors they do what they do because that's the way it's always been done it really with intentionality. So this is how we're going to do it. But do you ever stop and ask yourself why do we dedicate babies. Why do we do it the way we do it or if you baptize babies why do you do it that way. Why do we have Sunday school classes. Why do you have Sunday night church. Why do we have quarterly fellowships and fifth Sunday nights singing with people. Why do we have Christmas plays or Summer Vacation Bible School why do we have three songs on offering a sermon and a prayer or whatever your model is. Why do we grieve the way we grieve. Why do we market to the community or why have we chosen not to market to the community see that most churches. You just kind of parroting what you've seen before. And you know I would say that most churches in America maybe 99 percent need to back away and say what is our model. What are we shooting for and how do we how do we achieve that. That model how do we achieve that goal. You know I heard one guy say it's like this that you know if you think that all we're gonna do is preach the gospel and reach everybody that we can. Well you're like a guy who was on a dove hunt and you know a covey of bugs were doves were flushed into the sky he threw up his shotgun and he said there's so many I'm just gonna pull the trigger I'll have to hit one. And of course you'll always hit nothing if you aim at nothing will Rogers says you hit it every time a pick. [00:21:18] What do we do. Who are we going for and how are we going to reach them and that's why I have a 20 40 but the model has been so successful in so many different churches because we teach you from one fountain you drink from one stream and then you determine what that looks like for your church. You stick to your model. Just remember you know messages. The message of Jesus change never changes but the methods and the ministry has to change. And then other people that think that they should claim to the way that they were brought up and the way they were raised and all this change is in some way negative. But if you're honest with yourself you're not even doing ministry the way Jesus did ministry. He didn't have church on Sunday and had a morning service and or evening service on a Wednesday. That's not what he did. Right. We that model was was birth out of a community that was different than Jesus's community. And so the models could have been different and what I suggest to you today is that the model you're living in today is vastly different than the model that the American church was originally designed for. America has changed the model has to also change so you've got to find out what that model needs and look like and stick to your model. All right. So just to review before I give you the last one. Five things that will kill your progress as you think too small and short term. Number two you failed to develop a team. Number three you fail to empower your generals. Number four you don't have a model so you have a schizophrenic ministry. And number five. This will kill your church and your ministry in general is compromised. [00:22:55] Now there are several ways he only wants you to compromise on will pay you. Three of them number one. Don't compromise your vision. God gave you that vision and it will be challenged. Someone in your church right now is listening to a podcast from Stephen Fertig. Joel Osteen. Rich Wilkerson Bethel Church life not church. Andy Stanley whomever. You've got a drop out. Those ministries with your own clear and compelling vision. Those ministries have reached a status that they are because they are full of vision and they are pouring vision out that shouldn't intimidate you at all. You just you just outdo them with your own BS. When people come to me and say I've heard so-and-so church does it this way and fantastic you've got to listen to this podcast I'll tell them hey that's great man. God bless them. Let me tell you what Daystar Church is all about. Let me tell you who we are called to be. And you can not compromise you can't be back and forth just because this pastor preached this sermon. This church did this event. You got to figure out your vision and stick to it. All right. Your church is not a big tent. You hear all these politicians and political parties say we're a big tent. We've got room for everybody under our tent. You don't want a big tent. A circus is what's in a big tent. You got the bearded lady over here you got the clown over there. That's not what we want our church to be. I say our church is not a big tent. Our church is a big ship. You've got just as much room on a big ship for people as you have on a big tent but a ship is moving. [00:24:28] A ship is going somewhere and it's not going in eight directions it's going in one direction. And if someone runs too far in the wrong direction on a ship eventually they'll walk the plank. And you know what. That may be OK. Sometimes they need to get off and find some other ministry because we know where we're going and we're not changing our mind. We are heading in this direction. You're a big ship a little compromise you really. No don't compromise your model. I talked a lot about that. I will go back into that. But we know who we are and they start church we do four things we do weekend worship growth track small groups and Dream Team Dream Team is our volunteer group. And nobody's going to change that. You're not going to get me to do a Sunday nights singing because the church down the street did. You're going to talk me into promoting women's bake. So that's fine. They can do all that but it's got to be done within our small group structure. Figure out what your model is Don't compromise your model. The third thing. Don't compromise your character. Pastures are failing all around us. I do not believe it's because of a lack of commitment or a lack of heart. But I believe they're worn out and much more fatigue than they realize I'm talking to somebody right now. And that condition makes you very susceptible to the attack of the enemy. So I want to challenge you to build high walls around yourself. Don't don't be. They'll be reactive. Don't wait until you're in a compromising situation or in the wrong place. Be proactive. Make up your mind that you know the enemy is out to get you. [00:26:04] Here's what I believe that Satan is like a snake and he will lie in the grass. He's very patient. He will wait on you for a year and years and years and years you could be a successful faithful pastor for twenty five years and he'll just lie in wait for a compromising moment to pounce on you. I want to challenge you pastors don't compromise build high walls around yourself to keep union and to keep them out. We're going to go to two at a time if you have a question that you want to ask. Just press star 6 and Jessica is going to open up the queue for that and for those questions but I just feel like maybe I'll just take a second and just speak a prayer over you if you'd let me do that because I don't know the way this closed out. I just I just really sense the Holy Spirit. So Father I thank you right now for every woman and man listening to me every church leader pastors staff members elders and deacons who may be listening and I thank you for their investment in your kingdom. I thank you for their compassion and care and I pray right now God that you give them a revelation of your word and your will for the church for their city their community for the calling this season that they're in right now and I pray especially God that you give them boldness and confidence to be true to themselves true to your calling over their lives God that they don't compromise they don't compromise the mission in front of them don't compromise the vision that you give them I don't compromise the path or the model that you've put in front of them and most of all they don't compromise that character God make a strong like us as harmless as doves but as wise as serpents so that we're always ready to do the right thing. [00:27:46] And I ask this in the name of Jesus may our time with questions and answers be illuminating may you bless what we do in Jesus name. A man a man. All right guys. So if you're in the queue you want to ask a question press star six. You'll hear a little prompter you're here a little something to let you know that it's your turn to just say your question right now. We have room in the queue. We have a couple of people there but there are more there's more room for use if you want to get in. Go ahead and do that right now. But I think we can go ahead with our first question if you'd just give me your name and your first name and you feel it where you're from. Go and do that. Hi is one if you get on number two the failed to develop a team you have given us some eight areas. Yeah you could just review them again. Yeah. Yeah. Great. I'd love to do that so the first thing we're going to do is fate. We're going to say. Tell me about your walk with God. Are you just reading the Bible or praying only for sermons or for lessons your teaching. I want to make sure you're personally growing. Number two is family. How's your family doing. Are you leading your family well you and your spouse doing well number three is your finances. Let's talk about your finances. Paul wants us to be an example among believers in every area of our life and if you're a leader in this church your finances need to be in order. Are you a tie there that we teach tithing. I can't ask you to lead a church if you're not living the example. [00:29:12] Number four is freedom. Are you free. Does your temper go crazy. Do you have a porn problem. Is there some other area of your life that you're not free or you ever unforgiveness that you're harboring in your heart toward someone. Number five is fun. Do you have any fun. Are you just working all the time. Do you ever go out with your friends yet do anything fun. Number six is fitness. Are you healthy. No. Are you obese or are you just not taking care of your body. What can we do to help in that area. Number seven is friends. Tell me about your friends. Do you have good solid friendships friends who hold you accountable. Do you have an accountability partner for all of your Internet activity. Do you have people who will ask you the hard questions. And number eight is focus. So what is your area of focus for Best Children's Ministry. Now that we know the other parts of your life or together let's talk about how you're doing in children's ministry. So that's the one through 8. Thank you. Yeah. Well thanks for calling. And who do we have next. Jerry appreciate you guys. I've learned so much from you guys over the last several years we've been a part of 24 to double. Hey I just wanted to ask today. Vern Reisner by the way from First Baptist in Pekin Illinois. Hey I wanted to ask if you could take just maybe a paragraph or two and share the vision of day star from you. Oh yeah absolutely. Gosh Vern you know that's like that's like lighting the fuse on a on a piece of TNT so I'm going to try not to get it preacher mode but Daystar Church exists to transform our community through the love and power of Jesus. [00:31:06] That's our mission statement it's literally on the wall and everything we do is to defeat that mission. And we really get that from Luke for where Jesus stands up in the synagogue and he reads from the scroll of Isaiah and he talks about all that the Messiah is to do and he says this day the scripture is fulfilled in your hearing. He talks about recovery of the side of the blind the accessible year of the Lord's favor. We feel like that he shows love and power and in that in that in that prophetic word and that's his mission statement that his own personal mission statement and so good news to the poor is the love part and everything else he says he's going to do set prisoners free open blind that is the power part and he always we believe that you can't get people to the power of the Gospel your healing your marriage healing your family and your finances and setting you free from addiction. You can't get to the power part until you love them and so we unapologetically ask God to send us someone that no one else will love because we're going to love you first. Literally I have a T-shirt that says come today SA will love the hell out of you. I proudly wear that t shirt because you can't preach the devil out of someone you can't point and judge the devil out of him but you can love the hell out of people. And so we're going to love you into a relationship that opens up your heart and then we're going to introduce you to the power of God through prayer through His Word through fellowship through growth through serving all those things. But that means we don't turn anybody away. [00:32:49] I mean we are we're bold in the way we accept people. We let people serve. You know they're they're not perfect and they don't. They don't have everything just right. So it really distinguishes us in a lot of ways. We will let people serve. You know we there's a platform standard that if you're going to serve and be on a platform like you're you know you're a worship leader or you're one of the singers on the platform or you're a speaker or you're doing announcements or anything like that. That's that's a platform standard. But then we have a lower standard of serving in the parking lot or greeting people and we we want you to be a believer. We want you to be a follower of Christ and we certainly want you to have free of any sins and addictions but we don't expect you to be perfect and have your life entirely together to start serving and so you know you might see somebody you know that serving in our parking lot that you know is on work release from the county jail and we celebrate that. We're excited about that. That's one of the ways we love him before he's introduced to the power of God. So that's kind of the short version of amber. Thank you. Appreciate it so much guys. All right. OK guys. I am being told from the headquarters in Atlanta that no other questions are in the queue so I can't believe that you guys have any more questions so I'm going to give you just another second and Miss Jessica will text me when someone goes in the queue if you want to ask a question press star six on your phone and we'll take your questions. [00:34:27] What we're talking about today is the five things that kill your progress as a church and learning how to avoid them and I really felt like the Lord spoke to us today about not compromising your character and pastors. You know if you're fatigued and if you're worn out and if you're just constantly going all the time you're really not being a good steward or manager Peter says. We're managers of everything. God has given us and if you back away and you said you know I don't own this body I don't own this ministry but I manage it for God. Would you take God's car would you say God's heart and would you drive it a hundred thousand miles before you change the oil and rotated the tires or put new tires on it. No you would not because you want to take care of God's car you would want to mess of your bar and my car. Would you do that alone to my car for a year would you. Would you just run into the ground and bring it back to me with a tire worn off and goopy oil. You wouldn't do that. But see you're God's Pastor you're God's leader. And some of you are treating God's stuff poorly and that's what I was speaking of there. We're going to go to the queue. We've got a few more people and so go ahead and ask your questions. Yeah go ahead. Someone's alive. I think I can hear you. Make sure you're not muted. No one's muted response not muted just couldn't have anybody muted. Yes I'd like to ask a question. Can you hear me. Yes I can't. Go ahead. Oh great. I'm shell Simpson I'm in Orange County New York. [00:36:12] Orange County Gospel Fellowship. And that you you were mentioning the setting of goals. That was one I had. If you could just elaborate on that a little bit and I know that's like a huge broad topic and subject yes but you know. What exactly in what way do we set goals and when you say setting goals is that just I mean our goal is to stay afloat. You know I've been say that do do do what we do. But yeah you know if we could elaborate a little bit on that and also for the empowering your generals we have a great team we have a great leadership team that's working together. And I just want to learn a little bit more about empowering how we can do that better. Yeah. So thanks. Thank you for calling. So as it relates to goals you know I try to set aside time in the fall of every year to just kind of after the big fall push of the church season before the holiday season really kicks in. So sometime around October to set aside time where I'm away from the office I'm white and red anybody else and I'm just prayerfully considering where we are where we've gone the last year and where we feel like God knows just to go for the next year and we do set some short term one year goals. I try to set some 5 year goals. I do this for myself personally as well as for the church. I have every staff member or everybody who has a bet that leads a ministry. Every person who's over a ministry set some goals and what they want to see. Numbers matter. Attendance matters. Giving matters all the all those deliverables matter and so we want to set those goals but we also want to share them in a way that is compelling that we will lean into the ones we want to lean into the why. [00:38:09] You know like you say I want to see 10 percent growth in attendance. Well what does that matter. What does that mean anything. Well if you're a church of 100 what that means is we're talking about 10 more people who are on their way to heaven 10 more people who are you know set free from the problems addiction struggles of their past. Generational curses whatever you're known in play to risk that. You tell them why you want to tell people and you know if your goal is to you know just do what we do. I understand that you know we were in season one time after we did about a 6 million dollar building project and that the economy crashed and a lot of our given were unemployed. After that we use in a rough spot. I actually did a giving campaign that was sort of hey you know we need you to give extra if you love what we do. We want to keep doing it we're going to all give more and you know and listen I'm a good salesman but I'll be honest with that was a tough one to sell. But when you can get up and you can you got to have a deliverable like something big and something awesome. Even if it is just what you do you're not going to do anything new because you will have the horsepower or the financial ability but you can better define what you do and give it in terms of why we do it and tell stories data numbers and those that move people stories move people you know tell one story like the lady that was our security guard we hired to work our Madison campus and she was so moved by baptisms that were happening out in the lobby that she she she got in with us with our security guard outfit and got baptized and she quit her job a security guard so she could go to church because it was so moving for her. [00:39:58] That's not a big number. That was a single lady with no husband or kids but it's a story. And so that's how you cast vision of your goals you set those goals. But if the numbers are not the thing that's you know super motivational then you want to frame it in a way that people can grasp on to in the Bible says that Jesus never talked without telling a story. So. So we want to do that in terms of setting goals. The second question I think was about empowering your generals. And so so what I would say about that is how do you empower your generals is like when there are new opportunities there are new ministries or some new venture put your generals in leadership maybe maybe it's someone who got saved in your ministry and they haven't been around as long as some of the other people but they're an early adopter. They jump on board immediately because you've meant so much to them. I'd put them in leadership ahead of someone who's been around for 20 years but they're late or non adopter. I would put my people in leadership and when you get to the place where you're hiring staff members and you know you're doing things like that then I would be more inclined to take a person who's loyal to me and has no experience then to go out and hire someone from church staffing or Vanderbilt or wherever else you might go. We've used those sources before by the way and had mixed results but I'd be more inclined to find someone with less talent less to build more loyalty because they're my general as opposed to someone on the outside. OK. All right. Well thanks for calling all the way from New York. [00:41:40] I appreciate it. Well thank you. Appreciate everything you guys do. We really are getting a lot of out of this. So thank you. Good god here. All right. I think we have another caller in the queue. So wouldn't give us your question and your name. No I'm passage areas with passage around from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. I just All right. Thanks for drawing. I've enjoyed the series just last week and this week I just wanted to briefly go over if you don't mind the compromise. I believe I ran some points together underneath that. OK. Yes. Let me let me go back to this. Yes. I gave you three areas not to compromise. So the first one was Don't compromise your vision. God gave you a vision and they're gonna be people who are born into someone else's vision. You know I don't know about you on your own but I've got people I swear I think they full time. I don't think you have a their full time on the Internet. Listening to the Israel guy over here and somebody else is listening to the prophecy guy over there and somebody else is going to the End Times guy over there and you know they want. They want you to jump on their thing you know so you got to be careful not to do that. You don't have to be you know schizophrenic jumping around to those things so that's the first one. Secondly I said don't compromise your model. So you figure out what your model is and what I mean by that is like at Daystar we're only talking about the four things we want everybody and we can worship. We want everybody in growth track. That's our own ramp into the ministry and membership of the church. [00:43:21] We want everybody in a small group and we want everybody on the Dream Team which is our volunteer corps. And so I'm not talking about a million other things. You know a lot of churches manages this program and then there's that program and then there's the evangelism pro lenders knocking on doors for them. Then there's the March for Jesus and there's just a billion pro we don't do that because it can become complicated complicated and confusing for people I would encourage everyone to if you haven't read the book it's been out a long time now. It's called Simple Church and it talks about how complicated your church can be unless you find the few things you do so that's number two Don't compromise your model and then number three is Don't compromise your character. I think we talked about that pretty well that answer Jerome. Yes it does. Thank you very much. All right. Well Jerome thank you so much. You're going to be our last call the day I just want to say thank you for everyone who got on board with us today. And we want to continue to add value to your life and to you so we're going to do this same thing again. I thought it was me. I'm sorry my calendar messed me up just for a minute. Yes it is going to be at the same time next Thursday September the 5th. Hope you guys have a great holiday weekend enjoy some time away and we'll be back on the call with you this time next week will be a different topic. I hope you'll be ready for that. It's going to be specifically about the five things that are sermon killers things that we're doing that you know you've got something in your heart. [00:44:52] God has spoken to you. You really want to deliver it. There are a few pitfalls pastors fall into and it kills that sermon. So join us next Thursday. I'm gonna tell you how to avoid those sermon killers until then. God bless you. We'll talk to you next week. Goodbye.

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